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Re: Newbie audiophile -- how can we support him?
Reply #30 - Jun 23rd, 2009 at 2:56pm
 
Doc, T Smileymelex and R Grin Grinzer,

Marketing has to always be creating news on a yearly basis to keep the product "top-of-mind" and the consumer engaged. A lot of these news-worthy improvements are not, for lackof a word, news-worthy - they are just to keep the fires stoked.

Magazines (and media in general) pick these things up because they add excitement and hopefully keep the subscription numbers up.

One area that is plainly obvious is the revolving Wilson upgrades that are always reported on: MAXX, MAXX2, MAXX3, etc., Puppy 7,8,9 (and I bet a 10 eventually).

This is nothing more than a rich-man's shill game. If the design was so good begin with, why all the changes needed every year? Only one reason, to create "news" on a regular basis. The changes are incremental and place doubt in the mind of current Wilson owners that they don't have the current best.  My guess that for Wilson's more expensive offerings, it is probably the same circle of guys (a relatively small number with big $$) that are constantly getting  "improved" versions, but remain with the same speaker model. No one would say, "I think I will buy an Alexandria only after the third improved version is available."

For Vandersteen, my estimate is that he caters from newbies to audio-nervousa types, working from entery level to the more expensive models over a longer period of time. For a long time, he only had the 3A as his flagship speaker, but his followers wanted higher-end options, which he obliged.

Wilson employs great material and engineering skill, but any new or original ideas have been sorely lacking for a very long time (for example, remember that recent ad was focused on a machined aluminum tube for the woofer port? - ouch). Incremental improvements do not equate with innovation. They put the "No" in InNOvation.

F Cheesyrch - I'll go do a few Hail Mary's now for repentance.




 


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Re: Newbie audiophile -- how can we support him?
Reply #31 - Jun 24th, 2009 at 2:09pm
 
hi f Cheesyrch

well, i think you are hitting this whole thing on the head.  manufacturers may make incremental improvements, then hope some body hears them (even though a bat could not hear them) and so get their product back in the news.

i can understand that, as long as the manufacturer is not calling it a reference or something to infer that the average phile is going to hear some great improvement (not just a lateral change in tone) due to the incremental improvement.  

the laugh is when they change a speaker tuning cylinder tube from one kind of quarter inch aluminium to one that is 0.01 inches thicker or paints it with a different paint and some reviewer comes along and says how he hears it!

thats the part where the manufacturer and the reviewer bring discredit upon themselves and make audiophiles look like some kind of lunatics.  (ok, some of us are  Tongue)

of course, also, the thing is, Theoretically, a small improvement (thicker tube as outlined above) could be better for the sound, but that does not mean any human can hear it.  is the product improved, well, i guess, just in the same way maybe that a house with five fresh coats of paint on it is improved if you add a sixth!  Tongue

lets have some credibility here.  the new audiophiles to this world have to understand the "buyer beware" so that they dont needlessly part with their hard earned spare cash on snake oil.

i think thats what we are trying to get across here, an understanding of how the industry works in the darker sides....not all the industry is this way, and i have seen some sites (usually smaller guys) that do not pronounce any special magic to their gear, they just describe it and perhaps sometimes post what others may have said (slippery slope there too) but you get my drift.

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Re: Newbie audiophile -- how can we support him?
Reply #32 - Jul 11th, 2009 at 6:27pm
 
a bit back a question was asked and i answered about triode internal "feedback", and here is another explanation although i think for more advanced dudes and dudets.

http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/KISS%20104%20by%20Andre%20Jute.htm

by the way, this is a superb site for those new to audio and also wanting to learn some tech stuff and whatnot. Cool

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Reply #33 - Sep 27th, 2009 at 10:00pm
 
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