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my new Dynaco ST-70 by Bob Latino
Nov 3rd, 2009 at 8:44am
 
You may have read in another thread about my buying a "stock" Dynaco ST-70 as my first foray into tube amplification.  I bought it off of audiogon after some research, knowing the wealth of info/parts/upgrades that are out there.  I figured I'd upgrade it as I went.
Except I can be an obsessive little bugger and when I found a deal on a Bob Latino ST-70 kit, built by Bob himself, that is almost brand new...a deal that when added up equaled considerably less than if I were to buy all the parts myself for my stock ST-70....never mind the time I'd need and the unavoidable mistakes/"learning experiences".....I decided to sell some of my other hobby stuff and just buy the sucker.
(I sold a Jomox Xbase 999 analog drum machine that's been largely unused for 2 or 3 years)

I took delivery of the thing yesterday.  I had one of the tech's here assist me with switching it over to 4 ohm for my JBLs before I left work.  Just a matter of unsoldering the 8 ohm wire and putting the 4 ohm wire in it's place.
The difference in sound between the stock unit and this one is pretty apparent!  To begin with, since this one has the "high gain board" I didn't need to put the cheezy CMOS amp between it and the pre-out of my AVR like I was with the stock one.
I had since put one of my Yaqin tube buffer's in line as well, which I left in place.
There's more clarity and definition.  There's just more there to hear.  It seemed more free and effortless.  I listened for a little while, let the thing warm up and adjusted the bias.  Then I remembered those switches are to go between pentode and triode mode and it was set for pentode.  So I flicked the switches and sat back down.  I knew there'd be a difference in sound, but I didn't expect such a distinct difference.  Switching it into triode mode made it sound like what I've been expecting to hear all along, but didn't know I *wasn't* hearing yet!
Because it was getting late (I am always the last one up) I didn't get a chance to turn it up, but I was really enjoying what I was hearing at a relatively low volume.  Apparently you take a hit on the watts in triode, if I remember about 30% less so I'm curious to hear what happens with a little more volume.  The thing is since the majority of my listening time is done when the rest of my family is either in bed or on the way I can't really listen too loud anyway.  The sound-proofing I did does a pretty good job and I'm quite happy with how loud I can actually listen without disturbing the others.

So now I do have this stock ST-70 which I really should get rid of.  If any of you know of someone who'd be interested please let them know.  I got it for a decent price and I'm willing to let it go for even less if I don't have to deal with an auction site/paypal/etc.
It's all original except for the updated power switch and Chinese EL34's with maybe 20-30 hours on them.  Has the tube cage and is in pretty average-to-nice condition cosmetically.
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Re: my new Dynaco ST-70 by Bob Latino
Reply #1 - Nov 4th, 2009 at 12:46pm
 
hi levlhed  Grin

congrats on your recent purchase!

looks like you jumped into tubes big time.  like all amps, they have a sound, some easier to hear than others, and depending on what you compare them against and your sound preferences and all that.

one thing i might do is to take the yaqin buffer out and see what happens to your sound as well.  sometimes, less in the way of the music is better.

again, congrats on your recent purchase and have fun.   Wink

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Re: my new Dynaco ST-70 by Bob Latino
Reply #2 - Nov 4th, 2009 at 1:58pm
 
It's kinda odd, but I don't think I have ever listened to a Dynaco ST-70 in my entire audio "career."  Huh

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Re: my new Dynaco ST-70 by Bob Latino
Reply #3 - Nov 4th, 2009 at 3:37pm
 
I'm still using separate powered subs because the kinds of music I tend to listen to require it.  I'm enjoying the mix of tubes for the mids/highs and SS for the lows.  It works for me so far.
Last night I switched it back to pentode because it just sounded better on a particular album.  I can I may as well just put the darn tube cage into storage as I'm never going to just keep it on for long.

Yes, I did make a bit of a commitment on tubes I guess.  I hope to stay happy with what I have now...apart from some tube rollin' of course:) I don't think I spent nearly as much as a true fanatic would.  I actually think I kept it pretty darn spartan.

Forch, here's your chance to not only hear a classic ST-70 but own it for your very own!!
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Re: my new Dynaco ST-70 by Bob Latino
Reply #4 - Nov 5th, 2009 at 6:23am
 
LEVLHED, I'll need to hold off on that purchase.... experimenting with SS right now. I was out of commission for a while. I had a transformer go bad in my Equi=Tech power conditioner and had to send it in for repair. All under warranty and I'm the third owner!

Just got it back yesterday and letting everything settle in.

Have fun with the Dynaco. F Cheesyrch
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Re: my new Dynaco ST-70 by Bob Latino
Reply #5 - Nov 6th, 2009 at 7:38pm
 
as i remember, i found the original stock st-70 to be a little "thick" sounding.  

then again, many consider that to be the real tube sound!

i think it was the rather inelegant phase splitter method the original used, and those old electrolytic capacitors massaging the signal which slightly reduced the details for me.  



not a lot, but it was actually similar to other tube stuff at the time.  the quality of the capacitors etc have come a long way since the stock unit that i heard.

i dont know if there are any out there that heard grundig gear of the time, it also sounded a bit thick as well.

many modern tube units sound to my ears much cleaner than the old stuff and i suppose your modified st-70 fits that description as well.
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Re: my new Dynaco ST-70 by Bob Latino
Reply #6 - Nov 7th, 2009 at 2:20pm
 
if it sounds thick/etc I wouldn't know as I don't really know any better.

I did take the Yaqin tube buffer out as it was picking up some nasty EFI (I think anyway).
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Re: my new Dynaco ST-70 by Bob Latino
Reply #7 - Nov 7th, 2009 at 8:15pm
 
hi levlhed!

well yes, years ago when i heard an original unit i described the sound as a little thick.  syrupy.  generally, its the result of smearing caused by electrolytic capacitors and also distortions that result from mis-biasing tubes or ineffective feedback.

at latinos website is posted pictures of the 10KHz response of an original st-70 and the modified one you now listen too.  the better looking square wave is evidence of better mid to high frequency performance as well as other things.  

in general, you normally would not hear thick at low volume levels, but as you turn it up it becomes more apparent.

i dont know what your original unit sounds like, however, you do  seem to prefer your modifed new latino modified units sound, and thats all that matters.  i would suspect the new one sounds a bit cleaner than the original one....at higher volumes where the sound of the amp becomes more apparent generally.

in my experience well designed tube gear and well designed solid state gear sound more the same than different.  but the syrupy sound of some tube gear (read that as harmonic spectrum) is very appealing on some music but often it just depends on what mood you are in!! its crazy!!

to each his or her own tone control of choice!  Kiss

by the way, radio frequency interference is a bit more common in tube gear and takes a bit of a specialist to get rid of, so removing your yaqin was a good idea for now i think.   Smiley

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Re: my new Dynaco ST-70 by Bob Latino
Reply #8 - Dec 29th, 2009 at 9:54am
 
xmas was rather good to me and it ended with my owning some more 12AT7's to try out and a quad Genalex Gold Lion KT66's to replace the EH EL34's

After pulling a Mullard and putting in an RCA black plate, then dropping in the KT66's I had to stop experimenting because it sounded too damn good!  I really wasn't sure how much of a difference these "xmas tubes" were going to make, but I'm actually a bit stunned at the difference.  I need to listen to it for awhile again to get used to the sound. 

Yes, jumped into tubes.  I've done a pretty serious run of 12AT7 rolling since my system uses them in three spots.  If anyone is interested, I'm using a Dared SL-2000A preamp with a pair Tele ECC801S.  RCA Black Plate 12AT7WA in the middle position on the ST-70 and Siemens ECC801S Triple Mica's on the sides.
I still have to try out a pair of Mazda's, but I'm having a hard time believing I can get a sweeter sound out of this stuff!

If anyone has been wanting to try out some different classic 12AT7's let me know, I've got an impressive pile of them that I haven't determined what to do with just yet.
I may just horde them for a rainy day Grin
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